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## Poster: Edsel Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:36pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

"You need 1.3 bbls worth of energy to extract 1 bbl of shale oil"

For the sake of discussion, I will assume your numbers are accurate, but they are today's numbers, and are likely to change over time..... I would hope the ratio falls in the future, and the process becomes feasable.

## Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 1:25pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Unfortunately Edsel, the ratio won't likely fall ever. The denominator is getting smaller faster than the numerator. Energy Return is the only way to look at it accurately. Pro-drillers conveniently exclude the energy cost to extract the kajillion bbls of dead fat dinosaurs and trees when they are shopping their numbers around.

The simple fact is we are consuming a finite resource unabatedly. Eventually that model breaks.

Start here: (But go back and watch the entire Crash Course)

http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse/chapter-17a-peak-oil

## Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 5:51pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Noise -

As you might guess, I have become a bit passionate about Crash Course. Let me know what you think, but let's take it off the forum.

mandojamr@yahoo.com

Anytime. I'm really interested in what you think about Chris' work.

## Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 11, 2009 6:38pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Mando-

Just FYI I had the pleasure of interviewing Chris a couple years ago...incredibly smart guy & explains a complicated issue in as straightforward a manner as possible. Glad to hear you're into his work!

## Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 12, 2009 8:33am Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Grendel -

How cool. I always enjoy the small world connections. Chris and Becca are amazing people, as are their kids. Back in April my wife organized a Crash Course seminar out in SW Virginia in the Shenandoah Mountains. We had 63 people show up to learn from Chris and Becca. Great stuff.

If you interviewed him a couple a years back, you may not have seen the complete version of the Crash Course. I would encourage you to check it out.

Any chance you could provide a copy of the interview - I'd really be interested to hear what he was saying back then. I've only been onboard the Martenson train for a year now.